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Hi, I want to start a petition regarding the way RA suffers are treated by the DWP and their cohorts (Atos Healthcare and anyone else who thinks were just a bunch of lazy people. I want everyone to sing it because its going to affect us all sooner or later no one will escape. Any thoughts, any help
Dylan
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i got Dla for a while and glad they took it off me . i feel they where in the rights to check i had a spot check but Dla was only tempory anyway . i now have a letter with a form about taxing what i had not read it proper yet as it came christmas eve . So glad i am off it .I felt they where watching me .Yes i have become back to being moblie because MTX is doing its job .Come of that and i will be back to depentet .. Also i find Doctors no good where my health concersend so supporting me if i needed to claim would be useless .There is a doc i may ask to change too as she has knowalge of Athritis and skin , Also they only have basiic training the best way is too be friends with G.p in a differant life as they learn of you . christine The chocolate eating housewife ...The washer woman .....naughty lady
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Hi Dylan
I think it's a great idea; it's awful having to fight for DLA and worrying about whether they'll take it away, even though you know you're entitled. I must admit that, like Chockers, I do feel they're watching me all the time. Luckily I'm not likely to be doing anything I shouldn't be, because I can't, but it's still not nice. I can't advise you though, but I wonder if contacting NRAS might be an idea?
Anthea
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Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 331 Location: South London
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Hi Dylan would be interested to hear/read what you propose. Is it for all benefitc incapacity and the ESA and DLA? I dont qualify for DLA as I am not that bad but I feel lumping us all in as job seekers is putting further stress on us and would like to see some proper support and rehabilitation. Yes I am told work is good for us, but not so when physcologically it can be depressing feeling you cant pull your own weight or pushing yourself to go to work and then getting a big flare as a consequence. I suppose the original plan to push people off benefits has been delayed slightly by the credit crunch but the wheels are in motion albeit slower than intended. However I think that we are made feel like scum for being on benefit, or maybe its just me  I have paid over 20 years of tax and national insurance and I would like to get to do some part time work but its not feasible as the employers want people they can depend on and they want people working as many hours as they can give them. Its hard finding suitable decent part-time work. Perhaps their schemes can be a bit more creative than just stopping benefit and having a category for something like RA like putting us into the support group automatically.
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Joined: 12/19/2009 Posts: 49 Location: Bearsden, glasgow
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Hi Dylan, i am in the process of filling/renewing my DLA. I have been on high care rate since my diagnosis, and although i consider myself to be lucky, i am at this moment having a really crap time with flare up and cataract , and i will throw in my "sparkle has gone" am lacking in confidence/ low self-esteem, but i can imagine like other genuine people with genuine illnesses i try hide it. Am with you on this.
Jenny xxxx
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MrsWoman wrote:Hi Dylan would be interested to hear/read what you propose. Is it for all benefitc incapacity and the ESA and DLA? I dont qualify for DLA as I am not that bad but I feel lumping us all in as job seekers is putting further stress on us and would like to see some proper support and rehabilitation. Yes I am told work is good for us, but not so when physcologically it can be depressing feeling you cant pull your own weight or pushing yourself to go to work and then getting a big flare as a consequence. I suppose the original plan to push people off benefits has been delayed slightly by the credit crunch but the wheels are in motion albeit slower than intended. However I think that we are made feel like scum for being on benefit, or maybe its just me  I have paid over 20 years of tax and national insurance and I would like to get to do some part time work but its not feasible as the employers want people they can depend on and they want people working as many hours as they can give them. Its hard finding suitable decent part-time work. Perhaps their schemes can be a bit more creative than just stopping benefit and having a category for something like RA like putting us into the support group automatically. I have paid 37 years but feel like scum but job centre did say well ( i just on incpatctiy benfit then i can help the odd person out . Job centre said i am not like someone whos never worked and claiming .But Dwp and job centre are 2 differant things dwp still would watch you . but an employer would not keep me even if i was a good worker as if i am tried then i am slow and make misakes .I did say this too the job center she said i was right though may be i could manage a hour or 2 .Then it would be supid as i would get £5.80 a hour more then likeley and would have too do more then a good week and would not mangage the work .Even MTX has givin me my life back christine The chocolate eating housewife ...The washer woman .....naughty lady
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hi, i am with you 100%. i had a dreadful time claim anything. as one department said yes, another no. i have just returned to work after a year off thanks to this ra. i was told i could claim for permitted work as i only do 12 hours a week,, but must still attended pathway to work meetings. why i'm not looking for a job if i don't i may lose my benefit what benefit i'm still waiting answers. the system is too confussing and someone is looking at the forms who does not understand ra at all and the effoects it has on us. and i think it's all targets. the main thing is NO ONE LISTENS TO US. rant over lynne
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Hi All, Thank you for the responses to the petition request. Will now try and figure out the best way forward. Dylan
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Hi Dylan,
I would also like to support the petition like others I've had a very difficult time with the DWP, and mentioned this in the ESA.
Love,
Barbara XXXXXX
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Hi Dylan, Whilst I’m in support of petitioning the Government against the DWP’s apparent ignorance of RA, I’m not sure how the forms and application process could be simplified. I was told by an ex-civil servant that whilst genuine RA (and other) patients might consider the forms too long, complicated, stringent, etc., that’s because they are designed to weed out the genuine claimants from the fraudulent ones. I believe some patients with chronic illnesses assume they are entitled to benefits which isn’t the case, it depends on the severity of the condition and how it affects that individual person. Another misconception is that whatever level of DLA someone might have been awarded initially (mobility and/or care) that they remain on that level ad infinitum. The DWP clearly state in their letters that it is for the claimant to report any change of circumstance, including improvement in condition, to avoid potential prosecution. My main criticisms of the DLA process would be 1. DWP are not medical experts and yet ignore my doctors’ and other medical experts’ reports, as if they would jeopardise their careers and tell lies! 2. DWP do not reply to all correspondence and, when they do, send an automated reply and don’t address all the points raised. I don’t have any personal experience of ATOS Healthcare (yet!) but have read the ESA Guides on Benefits and Work website. It would seem the computerised health questionnaire is too rigid and narrow for a fluctuating disease such as RA and takes no account of fatigue (“the computer says no!”). Is it worth approaching NRAS to ask whether they would have some input on this and maybe join forces with other musculoskeletal Charities, i.e. The MS Society etc.. to have more of an impact. 20,000 plus signatures are required to have any clout and its worth checking whether anyone else has started a similar petition first. Petitions can be started on http://www.number10.gov.uk/
Carol
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Hear hear Tabbycat. I have mild arteritis but no way can i do the job I use to do and unfortunately the jobs they (jobcentre plux) seem to think I should be doing is something lower rather than aspire higher. There is a disabiled job centre section called remploy and all the disabled jobs seems to be manual work....... Which isnt suitable for us and I think they are really focusing on those with learning disabilites. JobCentre wants to push you on to anything so they can bring the numbers down. There isnt the support for us and we cant be lumped in with the healthy or disabled but need our own category. If i was to go to atos I would not be given any benefit. However I am in a position where I would not be able to work so what do I have to live on air? I find the whole jobcentre thing stressful as I find it difficult to deal with having this illness without talking to someone who doesnt understand. If they want us to work there should be proper support and decent retraining. Honestly you dont have to be a brain surgeon to work this out. Its all down to costs and resources not our position. I wonder what happens to the other countries like scandanavia or france for that matter - perhaps we could investigate what they do. Does NRAS have any european connections. I think it should got on the doctors /consultant statement of our condition and a statement from ourselves. If they want to lift us out of poverty then they should do it properly instead of brushing us off benefits. The problem with the illness being fluctuating should be taking into account to cover us from improvement in condition clause or perhaps improvement in condition for us could be to be in remission over a length of time like 18 months. I think time and care should be taken to put this petition together to ensure we put our point accross succently and effectively and I do agree that perhaps to get in touch with other charities and forums to get support. Summary DWP/JobCentre should reinstate the category for polyartheritic inflammatory conditions. GP/Consultants observations of our conditions should carry weight Consideration of Our ability to do what our "trade" was, be it plumber, administrator Better support should be given to us from all agencies from NHS to manage or day to day stuff, counselling for dealing with this disease, to encourage us to get back into life by providing retraining and whatever support we need. Dont forget it has been agencies like NICE that refuses drugs to let people have a better quality of life never mind work. OtherSupport Look at other countries for examples of how they deal with uncurable conditions similar to ours Find out whats been done on our behalf so far Rally support from otjher charities Perhaps speak to NRAS for guidence on this?
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Sorry i seemed to have got a bit carried away with stating the obvious and going over the top... well its a sore point.....
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re DWP not being experts to assess whether we are entitled to DLA: recently I reapplied for DLA and dutifully completed the questionnaire, and sent it off with extracts of my diary to explain how this RA thing gets us some days and not (or not so much!!) on others. WEEKS went past and then I received a phone call; apparently I had claimed to" need help in/out of bed 7 times every night of the week" !!! (I hadn't cos I don't!!!) Of course I told her this, and then came off the phone wondering exactly what I HAD said! After checking, I rang the woman back; she wasn't at her desk but I chatted to her colleague: Me: so do you have to read all these applications through? her: yes, and mighty boring they are too Me: but who actually makes the decisions then, are you and your colleagues qualified doctors, nurses or what? Her: no way we just get paid to make decisions and we do it on a sort of guesswork basis! at that point "my" lady came back and she then insisted I had said the 7times 7days thing. Me: No, I didn't, I have my copy in front of me, Her: well anyway, I have already half-read your application and have made a "DECISION" Me: How can you if you'd only read half the thing? Her: EXPERIENCE, my dear, just experience! Me; But you aren't even a doctor or a qualified nurse, so how can you , without experience of the illness, and without qualifications , make these life changing decisions? Her: they are hardly life changing, my dear! with that attitude, what hope is there????? Always be aware that what you do might hurt others........and if it could, do nothing without careful consideration of the consequences
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Hi Lylie, That proves what I suspected the last time I had to reapply, they hadn't even read the form! It's disgusting and time this was looked into. We spend hours filling in those forms, just for some bored person sat behind a desk to dismiss them without even reading them. What was her decision for yours? You should not have had to wait so long either, they are supposed to fast track applicants with cancer.
Love, Doreen xx
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Take it to appeal Lylie. I know it's hassle but the chances are that you will get it and it will have to be backdated to the date you applied! A friend is someone who knows all about you but loves you anyway!
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I would have taken her name, noted the date and time of my call and lodged a complaint with the DWP and asked for an appeal. If that didn't do it, I'd go to a Tribunal. Carol
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Couldn't agree more. These people are b**** morons
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Just a thought......these phone calls are usually recorded so yo could report them. When I complained they played back all my phone calls and agreed my case had been mishandled and the people I spoke to had been less than polite.
Doreen xx
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That`s a good suggestion from Doreen, Lylie - though why you should have been treated like this is simply disgraceful. Kathleen x
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A few months ago I was reading posts on another forum and DLA was being discussed.
It was either the person who put the post up or a relative or theirs had been on holiday had been speaking to someone who worked for the DLA and made the decisions on who would get the benefit.
This person admitted that if she was having a bad day, had a row with her husband or was generally in a bad mood she would not be very forth giving of whom she would award the benefit to. She thought it was funny.
Makes you wonder doesn't it?
Paula
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